Wearing a white cowboy hat and leather vest at a rally, Roy Moore repeated the conservative Christian themes he has used his entire public career: lock up gays, no to women’s rights… and “I believe in the Second Amendment,” Moore said as he pulled a handgun from his pocket. Another white old male bigot preparing for what??? the next lynching, to shoot liberals? What place does waving a gun in a political forum have in America? Welcome to Republican anarchy.
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Frank has decided to stick the “fascist” label on conservatives in his effort to demonize them. It isn’t accurate, but Frank does not use it because it is accurate.
I wonder if a kind of civil war can be avoided. The kind of country Frank wants is not one that I would like to live in, and its clear that the kind of country I want is unacceptable to Schaeffer. There are millions who think like Frank, and millions who think like me. Conflict is going to happen. I think there will be more violence. Certainly more disagreement. I don’t know how bad it will get, but I expect it will get worse than it is now.
My money’s on the conservative followers of Jesus because they have more guns and know better how to use them. On the other hand, the progressive followers of Jesus are just so damned sneaky that you can’t be sure about that bet.
Gotta grieve the Heart of God though just the same.
“For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” Matt. 24: 21-22
1) I wouldn’t go placing any bets on the first paragraph . Suffice it to say there are more of us in the Middle – Left of Center and Left with more ” Lawyers Guns and Money ” .. better knowledge and skills as to how to use them … not to mention us being in the majority whereas those hypocrites claiming to be followers of a Jesus of their own making are becoming more of a distinct minority by the day .
2) To think God’s heart is anything but grieved and angered by what pretends to be Christians in America today is to know nothing of the Bible and what God demands of His people
3) As for the imminent tribulation … remember one of the major signs that the end is near is when everyone across the world is claiming peace is at hand
The use of the term ‘ fascism ‘ ( personally I prefer neo-fascism ) though not entirely accurate across the entire spectrum of today’s version of Conservatism isn’t entirely inaccurate either . Mainly due to the fact of regardless of many individuals on the Right’s personal beliefs they have in order to attain victories have chosen to align themselves with extreme right wing neo -fascism , white supremacists racists and bigots . And as an old Yiddish bit of wisdom states ” The people you chose to align yourself with more often than not say more about you than any internal beliefs you may hold on to ”
So I’d say point blank to all those on the Right not in agreement with neo-fascism etc … its time to make a stand for what you truly believe in … or otherwise accept the label you yourself have gone out of your way to hang upon yourself
PS; GB . re; Civil War . I’d say the chances of avoiding what is rapidly heading towards a Civil war across the land lies in the very hands of those currently doing all they can to create it . That being the ‘ so called ‘ Conservative RNC who at this very moment have the very tool needed ( Amendment 25 Article 4 ) of their own creation back in 1953 to circumvent it by ridding us of the bloviating blatherskite they allowed in the door .
A small bit of historic irony . Several years ago Kim Riddleberger ( White Horse Inn ) made the statement that in Augustine’s time the worry was the barbarian at the gate about to crash thru . Whereas today we’ve given the barbarian the keys to the city handing it over lock stock and barely ( pun and irony intended ) to the very entity for which the walls around the city were meant to defend civilization from
Which is to say … my best guess is .. knowing the spineless Win At all Costs RNC as I do .. that Civil War is all but imminent … either that or we go all in to a blatant Fascist state
TJ, I don’t think Amendment 25 is going to be used. If it isn’t, will that mean the left will declare war?
No … that means the overwhelming ( 70% ) of the US both genuine Conservative – Centrist -Left and will rapidly rise in revolt against what is rapidly becoming a Neo – Fascist state along with Trump’s attempts to degrade the environment removing national monuments etc
Suffice it to say Bryson .. if you’d bother to take the time to read both the Bible you claim to love along with the Constitution and Bill of Rights you pretend to defend you’d know full well there is no room in this rapidly decaying United States for the likes of Trump and his administration
And get a clue Bryson … the US and the World is not Black or White – Left or Right .. with a whole lotta grey area in between of which I proudly make claim to refusing to be propagandized into a mindless sycophant for either side . e.g. For future reference so you’ll know exactly who you’re dealing with .. and assuming you’re able to comprehend what I’m about to reveal . Independent with a capital I .. Reformation Theologian / Philosopher / Apologist as well as a former NRA member and decorated marksman / sharpshooter . And to your great peril we are the majority . Not you .
What will this “revolt” look like?
If you are the majority, how did Trump win the election?
Reply to TJ Martin:
You mean there’s hope?!
You certainly lift my spirits!
Born and raised in Oregon, where carrying is taken for granted. Never bragged about or waved in the air. It has nothing to do with God, fascism, racism or paranoia that the Government wants our guns.
No craziness. We don’t think Trump should be near the Oval Office. But that’s just common sense, as is attending College to do our part in making our World a better place. Some attend church; some would rather find communion in the forests. I think it’s a nice balance- live and yet live. After all, that’s what the Word advises, isn’t it?
Our fathers fought Nazism in WWII,; and, we’re grateful they could help save America for another generation. Now it’s our turn. No one has ‘done’ a Nation better than ours so far. Thank you Founding Fathers! We certainly will not turn back to Germany. Anyone who knows history can see that’s a lost cause. We the Moderates, Independents of America, the vast middle, must VOTE. We can keep separate the fringes by voting, hand count, if Trump hasn’t dealt with Russian propaganda by 2018.. Let’s vote against extremism; it is the minority. Let’s find Moderates for Congress, who reject that compromise is an evil word! Moderates who can think and speak with considered words and thoughts. They will compromise and start the engine of our government running smoothly again. We just need to take time to vote. Rule out paranoid conspiracy theories. Stop voting for dishonest candidates. Restore decency, integrity and balance. We must vote equity back. Enforce laws that bring American-earned money back to America. Stop the loopholes that allow Corporations to use our benefits, but hoard the earnings in offshore accounts or other Countries. Educate our people in the excesses of greed which prevented the trickle-down theory any chance of success. Let’s not be ignorant. We must not become rigid, set in Party rather than the reality of our history. Trickle-down has been proven to fail every time. Let’s not go backwards.
I’ve had my wake up call. I hope most of us have seen through this greedy, alt-right racist in office presently,. It’s voting that will keep us free. In the meantime, thank you Frank Schaeffer for your action in educating. We must be an educated electorate!
Bryson ;
1) Trump won the electoral not the popular vote and that only happened because of the extreme gerrymandering over the past 16 years by the RNC as well as the RNC going out of its way to prevent minorities of all stripes and the poor from voting … not to mention the lowest voter turnout ( per capita ) in US history . Suffice it to say GB y’alls in the bottom 30% .. which makes you a very distinct …. minority .
( The RNC playbook in a nutshell . If you can’t win legitimately … cheat … and if cheating doesn’t work …damn the US Constitution / bill of Rights and lie , steal and commit treason in order to win .. as did Nixon , Reagan and GWB beforehand )
2) As for Christianity in America ? Well .. at least that which currently purports / poses as / pretends to be Christianity in America ? Your numbers diminish by the day with more people walking out than in and churches shuttering their doors across the nation left and right . Which is to say … much like Europe and the UK post WWII … y’alls blatant hypocrisy is catching up with you with devastating consequences … and having seen this coming since the 80’s … in a moment of abject guilty pleasure I’m delving into a gigantic plate of schadenfreude enjoying each and every spoonful
But you know where an ever bigger and tastier plate of schadenfreude comes from ? Watching the likes of you as your lives diminish and decay by the day as the bloviating blatherskite Neo-Populist the Collective Stupidity of America foolishly elected does all he can to increase the quality of the .1% … to your great detriment and ultimate demise . Now thats … schadenfreude
3) As for what this revolt might look like ? To borrow a pop culture phrase ( TV show ” The Prisoner ” ) ” That would be telling ” Not to mention being in direct contradiction to the edicts of Sun Tzu’s ” the Art of War ” which the majority of us subscribe to . But out of kindness .. take my word for it …. it’ll come from within as well as from the outside . Within as in within the military and federal government . Fact is … many elements are already in place should the courts and congress chose not to take their responsibilities to the country seriously placing Patriotism * over and above Party .
* For the definitive definition of the word Patriotism read GK Chesterton’s essay on the subject in his book which should be mandatory reading for anyone claiming to be a Christian ;
” Orthodoxy “
JT,
1. Nobody was prevented from voting by the RNC. That’s a liberal myth that you believe.
2. There are lots of people who claim to be Christians but are not. I wish I could change that.
Given the choice of Trump or Hellary, I chose Trump. And I made the right choice. I’d do it again, if Hellary was the alternative.
3. There are people who work for the US Government who would like to see Trump gone. Apparently, Trump is not part of the Establishment, and they prefer someone who is. But, I doubt if the US Military would be part of any coup against Trump. Some officers might, but not most others.
First off – TJ not JT
Second – The RNC with great volition and intent in RNC dominated counties across the land cut back on the number of polling places as well as the hours of operation in order to prevent minorities and the poor from voting . They also went all in on a campaign of intimidation against Hispanic voters under the pretense of preventing voter fraud .
Fact … not delusional racist fiction
Third – Choosing Trump is among the stupidest decisions you’ve ever made based on blind ignorance addled by celebrity while completely ignoring the facts . Though from what I’m reading in your comments I’m guessing you’ll surpass even that before your time on earth is up .
Fourth – Shows how little you know … the military is already in early preparations for a potential military coupe should that become necessary … as they did with Nixon in the pre and post Watergate 70’s . And that includes everyone from Generals right down to the Buck Private enlisted man / woman
Which then begs the question … in light of all the knowledge you make claim to …all your Tin Foil Hat conspiracy insights .. all your attempts at proving yourself an ubermensch how is it you continually miss out on the obvious staring you in the face ? A little too much mono news consumption addled by bigotry and prejudice no doubt fueled by a large dose of racism perhaps ? Or is it simply a little to much of this or that substance .. legal or illegal ?
FYI It’d be impossible for the likes of you to prevent others from being hypocritical Christians when in fact by your own words and deeds remembering I’ve called you on the carpet more than once with you’re being unable to respond … you prove yourself to be the very pinnacle and epitome of the genre . Knowing less about the Bible you claim to adhere to than the Constitution you claim to defend
Like to take that last comment to task ? Find the appropriate public forum and I’d welcome the chance to show what a blatant uninformed excuse for a Christian you are . Suffice it to say you are the dross Christ spoke about … not the refined silver
JP,
I was not convinced that Hellary would be a better potus than Trump. I knew she wanted a different country than I do. I was not sure how Trump would turn out, but I knew what Hellary would do.
Does the US Constitution permit a military coup to overthrow an elected President? If it does, where does it say that? If it doesn’t permit a coup, then a coup would violate the Constitution. Would probably end it. Is that what you want?
I see no reason for you and I to debate Christianity. I know that my beliefs are in agreement with the Bible, and I don’t care what you believe, so I don’t see anything to be gained.
Oh …. and on the ” some people in the government ” comment . Try more like the majority . Not because as you falsely claim due to his not being ‘ Establishment ‘ but rather because as in business ( y’all might wanna do a little research into Trump’s genuine net worth versus debts as well as his business practices ) he is incapable , incompetent and a bloviating fourth grade rhetoric con artist trying to pretend he’s some kind of bully when in fact when confronted by his equals or better is an utter wimp and a cry baby
If Trump is what you claim, then it should be easy to defeat him in the next presidential election.
Well said!! Read you blog all the time! Can’t wait to pick up your book. Thanks for speaking out and for being a constant unwavering voice of reason. We need you.
Frank, I really want to purchase your new book, but I do not own, or plan to own an iPhone, iPad, etc. I’d like to know when or how I can get the book for Android or Windows platforms.
It will be on Kindle soon
The truth! How refreshing
Roy Moore – The 21st century Cut & Paste version of George Wallace personified